Wikipedia:Kadai Kopi/Arsip/Agustus 2013

Kabijakan namo

Ado babarapo pakaro nan paralu disalasaian supayo indak ado pasalisiahan di kamudian ari. Ado babarapo namo kacamatan di Sumatera Barat nan manggunoan angko Romawi, contoh se IV Nagari jo IV Angkek. Data BPS manggunoan angko Romawi, samantaro di Wikipedia ko manggunoan huruf Latin ("IV" jadi "Ampek"). Baa manuruik sanak? Angko Romawi atau huruf Latin? Karano paralu ado standarisasi nan jaleh pakaro panggunoan huruf vs angko di namo daerah ko. Baa sanak? SpartacksCompatriot (maota) 2 Agustus 2013 21.48 (WIT)

Rancaknyo ikuik pamarintah (BPS) se lai sanak. Masalah panggunoan huruf latin di Wikipedia ko, pakai se laman pangalihan ka laman namo romawi. Faishal Wafiq Zakiy (maota) 4 Agustus 2013 07.54 (WIT)

WIT

Mngikuti usul di https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44758, saya mengubah MediaWiki:Timezone-wit. ‑Ｂｅｎｎｙｌｉｎ ^｢obrol｣ 12 Agustus 2013 10.27 (WIB)

Wah, padahal saia sudah mulai terbiasa... #eh  ‹› ™    12 Agustus 2013 12.15 (WIB)

"Bedo" vs "beda"

Nampaknyo ado saketek parubahan nan patuik awak paratian basamo. Iko usulan dari sanak Ardzun dalam konversesyen (conversation?) di Twitter:

• Ciek
• Duo
• Tigo
• Ampek

Hasia pancarian dari kamuih:

• Jreeng

Jadi Ambo mintak nan labiah bapaham pakaro "beda" vs "bedo" ko untuak mananggapi usulan parubahan dari sanak Ardzun ko. Manuruik ambo, iko hal nan pantiang manyangkuik "kamurnian" bahaso Minang, supayo min.wiki nan awak samo-samo bangun ko indak dituduah sabagai wiki nan indak manuruik tata caro dan kabiasanan urang di ranah Minang umumnyo. Ciek lai, dek sebab parubahan "bedo" vs "beda" ko manyangkuik ka masalah teknis MediaWiki, karano awak alah manggunoan "pabedoan revisi" untuak "perubahan revisi", Ambo baarok juo nan labiah bapaham teknis untuak ikuik dalam diskusi ko. SpartacksCompatriot (maota) 16 Agustus 2013 23.01 (WIB)

Ambo turuik sajo... tapi nan paralu digarih bawahi, banyak dialek di Minang. Jadi, lai mangarati urang banyak atau indak?  ‹› ™    17 Agustus 2013 14.54 (WIB)

Ambo raso lai banyak nan ka manarimo, soalnyo kato "beda" ko alah umum disabuik dalam bahaso Indonesia, dan juo umum dalam pabandaharaan kato bahaso Minang saari-ari nan digunoan di Sumatera Barat. SpartacksCompatriot (maota) 17 Agustus 2013 14.59 (WIB)

Oke, awak tunggu pandapaik dari nan lain.  ‹› ™    17 Agustus 2013 15.40 (WIB)

Aslmlkm rang di lapau/kadai kopi. Sakadar pandapek dari ambo, masalah kato "bedo" jo "beda" ko, aslinyo adolah "bedo". Kato "bedo" ko punyo 2 arti, partamo adolah "beda" dalam bhs Indonesianyo, nan kaduo manunjuak-an situasi nan serba sulik (kamari "bedo" atau "tabedo"). Jadi kato "bedo" dapek dipakai untuak kaduo hal ko, contoh: "A (apo) bedonyo antaro biawak jo buayo?" dan "Ondee, yo lah kamari bedo den dek nyo lai!" atau "Bisuak lah den ka situ yo, den sadang tabedo bana kini mah ha".

Manganai banyaknyo urang Minang lah mamakai kato "beda" kini ko, itu karano pangaruah modernisasi, kalau aslinyo adolah "bedo". Di kota Padang sandiri alah tajadi banyak kakacauan bahaso, sarupo kecek tokoh urang awak ko. Tantang ambo sandiri, ambo sangek mancintoi bahaso niniak muyang ambo nan asli, bahkan klan/suku "Koto" ambo baok ka mano-mano. Ambo manyaranan ka adiak-adiak/anak-anak supayo tambahan lah namo klan/suku ka balakang namo masiang-masiang. Sakian dulu pandapek dari ambo, talabiah takurang tolong dimaafkan. Tarimo kasih, salam.

O iyo, apokah lah ado kamuih baso Minang di Wiki Min ko?.  ~Jay rang Koto 17 Agustus 2013 22.30 (WIB)

Manuruik ambo labiah cocok mamakai kato nan labiah umum dipakai di Minang, tapi kato tasabuik memang dari bahaso Minang. Mungkin bisa jadi di sabagian daerah ado nan mamakai "bedo" untuak kato "beda (indonesia). Namun di banyak tampek, banyak urang nan mamakai "beda" untuak kato "beda(Indonesia)". Bukan dek karano tapangaruah bahaso Indonesia, bisa jadi kato "beda (Indonesia)" hampia sarupo kajadiannyo jo kato "bisa (Indonesia)" bilo ditajamahan, indak barubah bantuak. Namun bilo tajadi parubahan bantuak huruf -a di akhia manjadi -o, mangko lain pulo aratinyo. "Biso" = "Bisa (Racun Ular (Id))"

Untuak labiah pasti butuah banyak pandapaik supayo tau baso kato nan tapiliah itulah nan manjadi kato nan laweh panggunoannyo, bukan manjadi dialek sabagian kaciak wilayah Ardzun (maota) 18 Agustus 2013 21.44 (WIB)

Antaro "bedo" vs "beda" jo "biso" vs "bisa", kasusnyo babedo, jadi indak dapek disamoan konteksnyo do, Nnd Ardzun. Dari dulu kato "bisa" memang alah ado sabagai padanan dari kato "sanggup" atau "mampu". Cukuik banyak kato-kato dalam baso Minang nan punyo arati ganda (ambigu), contohnyo kato "baso". Kato "baso" ko satidaknyo punyo 3 arati:

• partamo "bahasa" (contoh: baso Minang)
• kaduo "bahwa" (contoh: "Indak tau awak baso nyo lah pulang dari Jakarta do")
• katigo "basa", Indonesianyo "basa basi" (contoh: "Nyo makan se sorang, indak nyo basoan awak do")

Baitu pulo jo kato "bedo", nan ambo tau sampai kini baru punyo duo arati. Untuak maaratiannyo tagantuang pado konteks. Dulu pado taun-taun 70 dan 80-an, anak-anak mudo di Padang suko mamakai kato "yang" untuak mangganti kato "nan" (contoh: "Yang iko lah ambiak di ang ha"), jadi saroman kajadiannyo jo urang-urang Jakarta nan babahaso Jakarta tapi dicampua-campua jo baso Inggirih supayo gaul. Wakatu ambo manjalang remaja pado taun 70-an di Solok indak ado urang mamakai kato "beda" do. Lalu kudian barubah se lambek-lambek, akhia nyo jadi umum dipakai.

Samo jo hal lainnyo, baso/bahaso akan salalu mangalami parubahan dari wakatu ka wakatu (evolusi), kini tantu tagantuang kapado awak masiang-masiang. Dalam mamandang parubahan ko, salalu ado tigo paham atau pandangan, nan partamo kaum konservatif nan nionyo nan alah ado salalu tajago andaknyo, nan kaduo kaum cuek nan bapikiran: tasarahlah apo nan ka tajadi, nan katigo kaum progresif nan bapandangan baso parubahan adolah suatu kaniscayaan. Kalau ambo tamasuak kaum konservatif untuak hal-hal tantang budayo Minang, tapi tantu indak untuak hal lain, samisal ilimu pangatauan, teknologi, karakter, visi, dan lain-lain. Baitu dulu Nnd Ardzun, talabiah takurang tolong dimaafkan, salam.  ~Jay rang Koto 19 Agustus 2013 03.43 (WIB)

Sanak sadonyo n.a.o, pandapek ambo condong ka pandapek Pak Jay. Dek karano ambo lahia jo gadang di rantau, salain caro mangecek kaluargo ambo (rang Maninjau), rujuakan ambo adolah kamuih. Dalam Kamus Bahasa Indonesia-Minangkabau, karya Nurlela Adnan & Rosnida M. Nur Ermitati, kaluaran Balai Pustaka (2001), ado 10 entri nan manggunoan kato babedo, kasadonyo baarati "berbeda" dalam baso Indonesia. Jadi manuruik ambo, pandapek Pak Jay di ateh cukuik valid. Kok ka diganti juo, pakailah balain nan adolah sinonim katonyo. Damikian manuruik pandapek ambo. Salam, Naval Scene (maota) 20 Agustus 2013 11.24 (WIB)

Tambah sakatek, Wikipedia:Padoman ijoan bahaso Minangkabau ko bisa dibatuaan juo ko diraso ado nan kurang. Salam, Naval Scene (maota) 20 Agustus 2013 12.18 (WIB)

Mokasih pak Jay untuak pencerahannyo, mungkin nan ambo danga salamoko anyo kabatulan se urang-urang nan alah ba"evolusi" bahasonyo. Nah, untuak pangambangan bahaso Minang di wiki ko ma nan ancak? apokah maikuti pakambangan zaman, co bahaso-bahaso nan lain? atau tatok dipadiaan se mode tu? baa pandapek yang lain? Ardzun (maota) 20 Agustus 2013 15.50 (WIB)

Yo, samo-samo Nnd Ardzun. Maaf baru dibaleh, agak sibuk saketek kapatang ko. Ambo cuma sakadar manyampaian apo nan sempat ambo alami nan kabatulan mancaliak/marasoan parubahan lambek-lambek (evolusi) soal kato "bedo" ko. Dek ambo kok dapek yo nan asli andaknyo, tapi tasarah nan mudo-mudo-lah. O iyo, masih banyak kato-kato nan kurang tapek nampak dek ambo, misalnyo Masia untuak Mesir, utaro untuak utara, dll. Ambo alun tau lai, apokah lah ado kamuih Minang di Wiki Min ko?. Apo indak paralu atau indak buliah?. Kalau ado ambo namuah sato maisinyo. Baitu dulu Nnd Ardzun, talabiah takurang tolong dimaafkan, salam.  ~Jay rang Koto 25 Agustus 2013 08.20 (WIB)

HTTPS for users with an account

Greetings. Starting on August 21 (tomorrow), all users with an account will be using HTTPS to access Wikimedia sites. HTTPS brings better security and improves your privacy. More information is available at m:HTTPS.

If HTTPS causes problems for you, tell us on bugzilla, on IRC (in the #wikimedia-operations channel) or on meta. If you can't use the other methods, you can also send an e-mail to https@wikimedia.org.

Greg Grossmeier (via the Global message delivery system). 21 Agustus 2013 02.26 (WIB) (wrong page? You can fix it.)

Tech News: 2013-34;

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• The previous version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf13) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 15. It was enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 19, and on all Wikipedias on August 22. [1]
• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf14) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 22. It will be enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 26, and on all Wikipedias on August 29. [2]
• You can now use new styles of galleries. Please give feedback to User:Bawolff. [3]
• You can now visit a random page in a category, for example Special:RandomInCategory/Science. (25931) [4]
• You can now use the <wbr> HTML5 tag to say where a word can be cut. (52468) [5]
• Gadget authors: you can now use the wikipage.content hook, so that your scripts are re-run when a page is changed after the document-ready event (for example using Ajax). (30713) [6]

Problems fixed

• There was a bug where file redirects didn't work when a file was renamed; it is now fixed. There is still an issue with purging, but it should be fixed soon. (52200)
• Laporan pamaliharoan provided by special pages will now all be updated on each wiki every six months. This will for example give you recent information on uncategorized pages, unused templates and most wanted pages (see details).
• There was a bug that caused false positives for anti-blanking edit filters; it is now fixed. (52077) [7]

VisualEditor news

• The "edit" and "edit source" tabs and section edit links can now be changed more easily; for example, some wikis are using "edit source" for wikitext editing, and "edit ^beta" for VisualEditor. You can ask for the same change in bugzilla.
• You can now edit references that are added inside a <references> block. (51741)
• You can now test on mediawiki.org new basic tools to add and edit struck text (with the button for the <s> tag), lower text ( for <sub>), upper text ( for <sup>), underlined text ( for <u>), computer code ( for <code> and <tt>), math text ( for <math>), Egyptian hieroglyphs ( for <hiero>), and to say that text is in another language ( for lang="ar" dir="rtl"). (51609, 51612, 51611, 51590, 51610, 52352)
• You can now use VisualEditor with the Opera browser. [8]

Future

• Starting on August 26, you will be able to use data from Wikidata on Wikivoyage sites. [9]
• Starting on August 27, you will also get notifications on the mobile site if you're logged in to a wiki using notifications. [10]
• Starting on August 28, all users with an account will be using HTTPS to access Wikimedia sites. HTTPS brings better security and improves your privacy. Some countries (like China) will not use HTTPS. If HTTPS causes problems for you, tell us on meta. [11]
• Starting on August 29, you will get the code editor interface to edit JavaScript and CSS pages on all wikis. [12]
• The plan to use Solr for search in MediaWiki was changed; instead, Elasticsearch is now planned. [13]

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26 Agustus 2013 03.07 (WIB)